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greeneyesUser is Offline

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10/25/2008 7:07 PM  
I am scared. I can't stop crying and thinking about what i have done. i am a single mother with an eleven year old boy. i had an abortion almost two years ago. I am terrified by these feelings and the thought that this is what i will be like for the rest of my life. please help me.
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10/25/2008 8:23 PM  

I'm sorry you're having a terrible time with it. I finally went to my family doctor when I had such intense feelings, and he helped tremendously. He put me in touch with our local crisis pregnancy center and they were very helpful.

Do you have a local crisis pregnancy center? Very often they have a 24 hour line you can call and speak to someone too.

I am going to pray for you right now, that you feel calmer and can seek help. You're not alone in what you feel, that's for sure. I remember very well how frightening my feelings were. You'll get through it!

Amy

greeneyesUser is Offline

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11/23/2008 7:54 PM  
Dear AmyPhillips,

Thank you so much for your kind reply. I have avoided counselling or even telling my doctor for the past two years, but the pain has become so intense that I have finally started to get help. My doctor was incredibly understanding, I thought he would be horrified, I am Catholic, Irish etc, but he proved me wrong by being so kind to me and listening and letting me cry. I have also started to attend counselling, and slowly - very slowly - small changes are taking place. First of all, just being able to talk about my feelings, and cry, helps so much. I read some of the posts here, where women are so alone and have noone to talk to, and I urge them to find someone they can open up to. It makes a world of difference. The pain is still excruciating most days, but since I have started to seek help, I have had moments of peace...just moments, but they give me hope. I have also started to rekindle my faith. I have not prayed in a long time, mainly because I thought God would not want to listen to me after what I had done. I am not a 'holy joe', but the pain is so bad that I crave comfort from any source, and if praying and having faith will help me, then I am willing to do whatever it takes. And maybe it is God who is giving me the strength to keep going, to seek help, and maybe it is he who has put these people in my life to help me through this suffering. I also managed to name my baby, with the help of a very kind and experienced priest - and that is something I thought I would never be able to do, as the thought of it hurt so much I couldn't stand it.
But I am learning that it is by going through the hurt, and not hiding from it, I have some chance at healing. I have hid from it with marijuana and alcohol and they don't work anymore. I have hid from it with work and by getting angry with the man that I became pregnant with, and that doesn't work anymore. The only thing that works is working through those horrible, painful feelings. I came to this site in absolute desperation. The feelings came on me like a thunderbolt. I thought I was ok for the past two years, but I wasn't ok. I was hiding. And since I stopped hiding, I have never felt such suffering and pain. I have cried every day for months, and I have carried that horrible guilt and shame that every woman here knows so well. I know this isn't over, but I also know that it never will be if I don't do everything in my power to confront those feelings and deal with them. I can't - none of us can - throw the rest of our lives away because of the mistakes we made. And I know that every single woman here regrets their mistakes. That every single woman here carries pain so intense that they sometimes wish they could just go to sleep and not wake up. I did what I did out of fear, and I know I am not alone in that. It was not a choice. I felt I had no other choice. A woman wants an abortion no less than an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw its own leg off. Our mistakes do not define us. We are not evil or bad or doomed because of what we did. We are human, and we are frightened, and we are weak. But we can be strong again if we face our pain and not allow it to defeat us. If I can sit here and write something positive in the midst of the darkest time of my life, then there is hope for every single one of us. I am an inherently negative person, with a whole pile of flaws and weaknesses - if I can get up again after this, anyone can! We need to grieve and we need to acknowledge the babies that we couldn't care for in this life. God will take care of them for us. He knows our fear and he forgives our weakness. He doesn't want us to waste our lives in sorrow, but to share them with others, being kind and compassionate, just as so many of you are on this site. God can make good out of our mistakes. But we have to help him. The first step for me was being brave enough to seek help. To anyone out there who is suffering, please do the same. Bit by bit, you will find your way, and when you do, you can help others to find theirs. I am a long way from being 'ok', but I am glad I am not hiding anymore. I don't want to live in pain forever. And I think, just maybe, if I do the work, I won't have to. x
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11/23/2008 9:05 PM  

greeneyes,

It sounds like you've begun a true path to healing and that's really wonderful! I am very happy and hopeful for you. The words you use to describe what you're going through tell me that you are opening your heart to God's healing and there's nothing more soothing than His love and forgiveness. When I went through a post abortion class I learned that I had to work next on forgiving myself too. That is a daily practice and I'm getting better at it.

Thanks for checking back in to let me know how you're doing! I admit I worried shen we didn't hear back from you right away. Keep in touch!

((((greeneyes))))

Amy

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11/24/2008 12:26 PM  
Greeneyes,

I have found the word Disenfranchised Grief a comfort during the healing by Kenneth Doka. It is a type of silent grief. Some of Society does not recognize as a loss. Idell Kesselman believe it is necessary as part of the grieving process. I agree.

One of my favorite verses during my healing is from Plasm 32:5; Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said,"I will confess my transgressions to the Lord" and you forgave the guilt I my sin. It was difficult to forgive myself and I punished myself more than God would have. There are many bible studies realted to abortion some are avaialbe on the net and can be mailed to you. When I found a counselor in 1992, at my local pregnancy crisis center the burrden of shame will lifted and I was so happy to now that I was not alone in my journey. Please continue to post, when you are able the Ladies in chat will greet you with open arms. I am glad the Lord led you to us. He led me here in 2002.

Patty
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11/24/2008 5:45 PM  

Dear AmyPhillips and Patty,

Thank you both so much for your replies. Today has not been good and the positive feelings I had last night have gone. It seems to be that I feel terrible most days, and then I might get a few hours one day where I feel a bit better, and then it's back to feeling terrible again. I imagine feeling this low for the rest of my life and it scares me so much. I think about my baby every single second of the day, and sometimes I think maybe I am just not able to get over this, or deal with it, or ever feel okay again - apart from a few hours here and there. I love my son with all my heart, and now when i am with him I just feel so ashamed and guilty. I try to think of all the reasons I did what I did - how hard it was when I had my son alone, and how frightened I was of going back to the start with another baby on my own, how horrified my family would have been that I could let the same thing happen again, that I would be hurting and confusing my son by bringing a baby into his life when things are hard enough for us now, that he had just started to get to know his father again after almost ten years of being without him, and then I let the same thing happen again, I get pregnant again, by the same man, a man who is almost thirty years older than me and who barely contributes to my son's life as it is...a man I do not love and do not want in my life...I am still in college, finishing a phd, I don't even have a job at the moment, I rely on social welfare, I can barely pay my rent, the list goes on and on...and I think of all these things on a real and practical level, and I did what I did out of total fear, that it would kill my seventy year old mother and father who are very strict catholics and found it hard enough the first time around, and who think I am finally on the way to getting a better life for myself and my son, and to let them down again, to have them worry and start all over again..I am getting upset here, and at the end of the day, all I can do is cry for the baby I didn't allow to be born, and all those reasons are still real, and I am so confused. I was always 'against' abortion, it never entered my mind when I had my son, I am adopted and wanted my own flesh and blood, I just couldn't have done it then - but then after ten years alone with a child, hardly any money, seeing how long it took to build up a relationship with my family, to do it all again just seemed unbearable. They will never know about it, it would probably kill them even more to know I did this, they are very religious and they abhor abortion. I feel I am not the same girl they love, I am not the girl they think I am. I feel like a fake and a liar and a hypocrite. Even around my son, I feel like a fake mother. When I am like this, I can't imagine ever being okay, I just want to get into bed and cry. I can't get stoned or drink because it just gets worse, so I have to sit with these feelings and I torture myself imagining how much everyone would hate me if they knew what I did, and I wish I had been stronger and fought to protect my baby, like I did for the son I have. I get so angry at my son's father, he offered me no other option, he didn't try to protect the baby either. He just said he would 'support my decision', and in doing that, he heaped all the responsibility onto me. All he did was pay for it. He never once held my hand and said he would be there for me and the baby, that he would help, he just shut his mouth and watched me destroy a life. I hate him for it. He even said to me that he doesn't believe it's a baby until it comes out of the womb, which makes me sick. I want to send him pictures of what it really looks like, so he can't bury his head from the responsibility of what has happened anymore. I am very angry at him, and I know it's futile and it doesn't help me, but it's the way I feel. I contacted him because I wanted my son to know his father, and all he did was buy me marijuana and alcohol and push his way into my life with presents and money. I am sorry, I know I must sound horrible, but that's my anger, it takes me over. And I have to live with this heartache, and I know he isn't suffering at all. And I want him to suffer. 
I just want my baby back. I want to feel like a mother again and not a fraud. 

 

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11/24/2008 6:39 PM  

greeneyes,

I am so sorry you're struggling so. Sharing your grief and your fears are a good thing. Just sharing them here takes away some of their power over you.

You used the word "fraud" in describing how you feel. I can sure relate to that. When I was going through the most intense feelings of stress regarding my abortion, I felt like everything I had accomplished or been admired for was just fraud, like I had tricked people into thinking I was a good person when in reality I was "hiding" this horrible thing that made me a bad person. I've since learned that that's exactly what the enemy wanted me to think, that I didn't have any value to offer to anyone. But that's not true for me, and it certainly isn't true for you either.

When we ask the Lord for forgiveness He gives it to us completely. And He loves us so much it tears Him up to watch us beat ourselves up and be tricked into thinking we're not worth anything.

Your words reveal a gentle and loving soul that wants to provide a good life for her son and who doesn't want to trivialize what's been done in the past. Those are really marvelous qualities and the Lord will use them in the process of healing you and making you a new person. He really does want to have a personal relationship with you and have the opportunity to shower His love on you.

Press through today, stop to listen to God and ask Him to help you open your heart to His love and healing. You're in my prayers each day - try not to feel too alone, its easy to let that lie sound real too, but its  a lie. The Lord is with you and many here are praying for you.

The two bible studies that I work with to walk women through abortion related healing are: H.E.A.R.T (Healing the Effects of Abortion Related Trauma) and Forgiven and Set Free. Did you get to find out if a local Crisis Pregnancy Center or Pregnancy Resource Center near you offers anything like that?

In Him,
Amy

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11/24/2008 6:45 PM  
PS - If you haven't already checked out the "Abortion Recovery" section of this site, that might be a great place for you to get some thoughts about what your healing process might look like... :-)
PattyUser is Offline

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11/25/2008 10:18 AM  
Greeneyes,

A big cyber hug. I was surfin the internet looking for comfort. I found this article, "Lifting the Cloud of Depression," by Don Schroeder. I thought okay so I printed out the article and laid it aside. I was cleaning up my stacks of papers, this one I began to read, the paragraph of the bible warns us; " Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, agains the powers of ths dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Ephesians 6:12. I am hooked on the NIV version of this verse of the word, "struggle" I found my answer, we all struggle. I began hearing music and laughter with this part, the heavenly realms. I felt lifted into the clouds and away went the depression, I still have bouts of bipolar cycles they are not as deep. This led me into Spiritual Warfare. When the evil little demons that start in with me, I think of the Municex comerical. I blow them away with the Sword of the Spirit.

Blow them little demons away by James 4:7.

Cyber hugs,
Patty
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11/30/2008 8:01 PM  

(((((greeneyes)))))  Grace and peace to you and AmyPhillips and Patty,

I am so very proud of you and each of the ladies that begins their healing by sharing here on the message boards.   I don't think I could have said it any better than AmyPhillips or Patty has already, but let me encourage you in this: you will not always feel this way.  I can see by your postings that you are well on your way even though it may not even come close to feeling that way now.  The reason I am able to say this is that I, too, experienced all that you are describing, but I am now "on the other side" having experienced the hope and healing that has been described.

Please allow me to encourage you in the fact that it is so very typical for us to have an extremely down day right after having a "good" day.  The devil tries with all he can muster to steal our joy, to make us feel as if we are not making progress in our healing.  The realitiy is that you are making progress in your healing.  Listening to praise music, reading or reciting scriptures, praying, etc. even when we don't feel like it can truly help.

I too would encourage you to come into chat when you are able.  Please check out the schedule for moderated chat.  There are so many wonderful ladies who will encourage you even more.

(((((group hugs)))))

greeneyesUser is Offline

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12/03/2008 6:17 PM  
Firstly - thank you so much Amy, Patty and Colorado-Lori for your incredibly kind replies. It always makes me cry when I read those kind, and hopeful, messages.

I haven't written in a while, I don't know what's happening with me at the moment, and I feel all 'wrong'. The past two months have been nothing short of torture. I, like so many others, have cried every day. I have carried a cold fear and sadness in my heart every single day from the moment I wake to the moment I go to sleep, and now, it's gone. And instead of feeling grateful and content, I am worried and scared that I have done something wrong, interrupted the healing, and it will come back, maybe even worse, in another few days, weeks, months...I dread to say years,because I so desperately want to heal, and I don't want to live in denial and numbness anymore, only for it to be waiting for me down the line.

I know I have been working hard at my healing; I have reached out in so many ways, I have prayed, I have talked to my counsellor and a good close friend, I have brought my sin to God by way of the monk I went to see and recieved the sacrament of reconciliation...and maybe all of these things combined have lifted that terrible heavy ache inside me, but all I feel now is worried. Worried that it is impossible to heal so quickly - even though the past two months of living in full awareness of my actions feels like an eternity, and it's been almost two years since I had my abortion....I feel like I need to suffer more. I would not call back that torture on myself or anyone else, and I can't believe I am saying this, but I almost miss it. That is insane. How can I say that I miss that horrible state of being -  crying, obsessed with wanting to turn back time, craving my baby with all my heart and soul, not able to escape the pain. Why would I miss that? What is wrong with me that I can't be grateful for the pain being eased? I feel like I should suffer more, that I deserve to suffer longer and I also feel like I want to get all my suffering done NOW, for however long it takes, I am scared that I am back in the numb denial, and that the pain will strike again, maybe ages away in the future. And I will have to start all over again.

I am so sorry for this, I must sound so ungrateful. I would have given anything over the past two months for the sadness and guilt and shame and regret to be lifted - and now it has, and I don't feel any lighter, or more at peace...I just feel confused and worried. Am I crazy? There are women out there who would give anything for a moment's respite from their pain, and I have been given that, and I can't enjoy it.
I just feel numb. 

Again, thank you all so much. And I'm sorry my messages are always so long. I hope you are all doing okay, I keep you in my prayers.
x
greeneyesUser is Offline

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12/03/2008 6:18 PM  
Firstly - thank you so much Amy, Patty and Colorado-Lori for your incredibly kind replies. It always makes me cry when I read those kind, and hopeful, messages.

I haven't written in a while, I don't know what's happening with me at the moment, and I feel all 'wrong'. The past two months have been nothing short of torture. I, like so many others, have cried every day. I have carried a cold fear and sadness in my heart every single day from the moment I wake to the moment I go to sleep, and now, it's gone. And instead of feeling grateful and content, I am worried and scared that I have done something wrong, interrupted the healing, and it will come back, maybe even worse, in another few days, weeks, months...I dread to say years,because I so desperately want to heal, and I don't want to live in denial and numbness anymore, only for it to be waiting for me down the line.

I know I have been working hard at my healing; I have reached out in so many ways, I have prayed, I have talked to my counsellor and a good close friend, I have brought my sin to God by way of the monk I went to see and recieved the sacrament of reconciliation...and maybe all of these things combined have lifted that terrible heavy ache inside me, but all I feel now is worried. Worried that it is impossible to heal so quickly - even though the past two months of living in full awareness of my actions feels like an eternity, and it's been almost two years since I had my abortion....I feel like I need to suffer more. I would not call back that torture on myself or anyone else, and I can't believe I am saying this, but I almost miss it. That is insane. How can I say that I miss that horrible state of being -  crying, obsessed with wanting to turn back time, craving my baby with all my heart and soul, not able to escape the pain. Why would I miss that? What is wrong with me that I can't be grateful for the pain being eased? I feel like I should suffer more, that I deserve to suffer longer and I also feel like I want to get all my suffering done NOW, for however long it takes, I am scared that I am back in the numb denial, and that the pain will strike again, maybe ages away in the future. And I will have to start all over again.

I am so sorry for this, I must sound so ungrateful. I would have given anything over the past two months for the sadness and guilt and shame and regret to be lifted - and now it has, and I don't feel any lighter, or more at peace...I just feel confused and worried. Am I crazy? There are women out there who would give anything for a moment's respite from their pain, and I have been given that, and I can't enjoy it.
I just feel numb. 

Again, thank you all so much. And I'm sorry my messages are always so long. I hope you are all doing okay, I keep you in my prayers.
x
greeneyesUser is Offline

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12/03/2008 6:20 PM  
Firstly - thank you so much Amy, Patty and Colorado-Lori for your incredibly kind replies. It always makes me cry when I read those kind, and hopeful, messages.

I haven't written in a while, I don't know what's happening with me at the moment, and I feel all 'wrong'. The past two months have been nothing short of torture. I, like so many others, have cried every day. I have carried a cold fear and sadness in my heart every single day from the moment I wake to the moment I go to sleep, and now, it's gone. And instead of feeling grateful and content, I am worried and scared that I have done something wrong, interrupted the healing, and it will come back, maybe even worse, in another few days, weeks, months...I dread to say years,because I so desperately want to heal, and I don't want to live in denial and numbness anymore, only for it to be waiting for me down the line.

I know I have been working hard at my healing; I have reached out in so many ways, I have prayed, I have talked to my counsellor and a good close friend, I have brought my sin to God by way of the monk I went to see and recieved the sacrament of reconciliation...and maybe all of these things combined have lifted that terrible heavy ache inside me, but all I feel now is worried. Worried that it is impossible to heal so quickly - even though the past two months of living in full awareness of my actions feels like an eternity, and it's been almost two years since I had my abortion....I feel like I need to suffer more. I would not call back that torture on myself or anyone else, and I can't believe I am saying this, but I almost miss it. That is insane. How can I say that I miss that horrible state of being -  crying, obsessed with wanting to turn back time, craving my baby with all my heart and soul, not able to escape the pain. Why would I miss that? What is wrong with me that I can't be grateful for the pain being eased? I feel like I should suffer more, that I deserve to suffer longer and I also feel like I want to get all my suffering done NOW, for however long it takes, I am scared that I am back in the numb denial, and that the pain will strike again, maybe ages away in the future. And I will have to start all over again.

I am so sorry for this, I must sound so ungrateful. I would have given anything over the past two months for the sadness and guilt and shame and regret to be lifted - and now it has, and I don't feel any lighter, or more at peace...I just feel confused and worried. Am I crazy? There are women out there who would give anything for a moment's respite from their pain, and I have been given that, and I can't enjoy it.
I just feel numb. 

Again, thank you all so much. And I'm sorry my messages are always so long. I hope you are all doing okay, I keep you in my prayers.
x
PattyUser is Offline

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12/04/2008 10:03 AM  
Greeneyes,

I tortured myself for years. I still punish myself every now and then. I do a lot of internet surfing for different subjects. The one I posted about Mental Health, for I am not alone. I have read it in many places. This one stood out because of the 167% and up to date information. When I was struggling for healing it took awhile for the self torture to stop. I realize now that it was God helping me thru all my self inflicted pain helping me to fight with the demons that wanted to keep me inprisoned in fear. I have turned it around where I do go instead of torturing myself. I was reading, A Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary K. Baxter. I totally was amazed with this book and I have read a few others by her and still have a couple to read. I found a passage that led me to this verse:
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destory both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 this is Satan's dark world and he will do anything to keep you in pain. It is a daily battle. In the end paradise will far out way the punishment that the devil inflicts apon us here on earth. Read Ephesians 6:12-18, the Armor of God, it will give you the strength to kick the demon's butt. There are many sites of the bible online that you can read this. Please continue to post and we will being praying for you. Stand strong you have been forgiven. If you need the sites, post and I will help you.


Patty
greeneyesUser is Offline

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12/09/2008 3:58 PM  

Patty,

Thank you so much for your message, and I hope you are feeling okay. Yes, I would be interested in getting those site details from you.

I am back to feeling pretty terrible, after last week, which was a weird week. I didn't feel better, my pain had just seemed to disappear and instead of sadness, I felt very angry and short-tempered, and I do not want to be like that. If healing is possible, and I only say 'if', because to be honest, I can't imagine ever feeling okay again, I want to come through this a better person, more patient, kinder, more compassionate...I don't want to be angry and bitter.
Well the pain is back, and I am thinking of my baby and wishing to turn back time and hating myself for not thinking properly two years ago, and for not trying harder to kep my baby. I am terrified that, because I have always had problems with depression, i can never get through this, that it will just beocme another obsession with me, always there, always dragging me down. And I feel selfish even saying that - I denied my baby life, and yet I think I deserve a good one? It is, as I am sure you know, awful. I look at strangers in the street and think 'I bet they didn't do what I did / If they knew what I did they would think I am a hypocrite, walking around with my son, pretending to be a loving mother, when I have paid to get my baby taken out of my body'. Terrible terrible balck thoughts of suicide, but I know I can't go there, because I cannot leave my son. Jealous of pregnant women, new babies, I feel angry at the world, that I couldn't keep my baby because of my situation, but I know it's not the 'world's' fault, it's mine. I get so angry at myself for not thinking properly at the time, for panicking and rushing into this, getting it done as soon as I could so the baby wouldn't grow anymore. I look back on that time and I do not know what I was doing - I have always always been 'anti' abortion, I had my first child young  and in lonely circumstances, but now I have done it anyway, and I just ate that I can't turn back time, I drive myself insane thinking about it. 

Also, a few weeks ago, in a terrible state, I rang the nun who I went to for help when I had my son. She ran a service for single mothers and she helped me so much. She was shocked when I told her, and even though she said she loved me no matter what I did, I know she is disappointed with me, I worked so hard to keep my son, and I am so ashamed that I told her that I had an abortion. I know it shouldn't matter what other people think, but I wish I hadn't told her, she didn't need to know, and it's not like she is even really in my life or offers any support now. I was just so upset, and I thought maybe she could help. I know now that only I can help myself, along with the support I receive here, and God, and my counsellor.
A woman I met a couple of weeks ago, she runs a post-abortion retreat service, has advised me to go on one of the retreats. It is on this weekend, and I think I might go because I feel so desperate for anything that might help. I am scared though, incase it just makes me worse, seeing other women as upset as I am. 

I have a horrible feeling that I will punish myself forever, no matter how many counselling sesions I attend, how often I pray, I am just so scared that what I have done is so outside my moral boundaries that I can never forgive myself. 
PLease tell me I am wrong.



 

 

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12/10/2008 10:08 AM  
Green Eyes,

Here are a few to get you started:
You should have a search mode on your computer.


Forgiven and Set Free, a bible study of healing
by Linda Cochrane
Page 90 talks about, The Armor of God

Her Choice to Heal by Sydna Masse and Joan Phillips
Sydna has a web site, Ramah International, Inc
A Post Abortion Ministry

Forbidden Grief, by Theresa Burke, Ph.D., with David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Theresa is the founder of Rachel’s Vineyard
Some of the Ladies at Safe Haven have gone to the weekend retreats.
Priests for Life also on the web helps with Rachel’s Vineyard
His work in abortion information is outstanding
David has a web site also called, the Elliot Institute
He does research on abortion

Post Abortion Trauma- 9 Steps to Recovery by Jeanette Vought

I’ll Hold you in Heaven by Jack Hayford
He is the Pastor of The Church On The Way in Los Angeles and
chancellor of The King’s College and Seminary.

7 Prayers, that will change your life forever, by Stormie Omartian
She talks about her own abortions
Jack Hayford and Stormie have written a few books together


Changes that Heal by Dr. Henry Cloud
My favorite within this book is page 274 where;
“ In addition, suppressing grief leads to all sorts of symptoms,
Including depression, physiological problems, substance abuse,
And eating disorders.”

Boundaries, by Dr. John Townsend and Dr. Henry Cloud
They have wrote many books together and separately, I like them all.


Get out of that Pit, by Beth Moore,
Carla did this study online in chats a while ago.
She has many enlightening books

Spiritual Warfare by Richard Ing
I read his book after reading, Lifting the Cloud of Depression.
I have many favorites in this book, it gave me some backbone.
“Demons know the Bible better that you and I.”
“Abortion involves the spirits of Murder as well as Death.”
This has led me into many web sites and books that have to
do with fighting against the Devil and kicking his butt.

Battlefield of the Mind, by Joyce Meyer
She has many books of uplifting the spirit within you.




Web sites:

Whole Person Counseling by Basil Frasure, Ph.D.
He has different studies of subjects relating to the Bible

Diana Dew also has subjects relating to the Bible.

Dove Ministries by Bill Subritzky has a web site and this article.
Deliverance from Demons and he talks about,
his first deliverance of the spirit of Abortion from a Christian.

Gateway Bible,
Has online reading of scripture with many different translations.

Blue Letter Bible
Many translations

Life News
Updated news on abortion and life issues

Life Issues
Update news on abortion and life issues

Operation Rescue is part of
The Texas Justice Foundation

Eternal Perspective Ministries
Randy Alcorn
He has a few books and information about
Early Christian Writers on abortion

Thomas Library of Congress
They have the outlines of bills presented to Congress,
Post Abortion Syndrome bill is still waiting
USA


My new favorite saying:

Faith sees the invisible, believes the incredible and
receives the impossible. Anonymous

Patty
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01/01/2009 3:04 PM  

Dear Patty,

Thank you so much for that list - you are very kind.

I haven't been in touch in a while, I hope everything is okay with you, and everyone else.

I went on the Rachel's Vineyard retreat one week before Christmas, and while it was very difficult and extremely sad, I have to say, it has helped so much. It is a beautifully organised weekend, very spiritual, and very diginified, and I would encourage anyone who is going through a hard time to find one of these retreats and go. I know they are held all over the world - I am sure if people look up Rachel's Vineyard, they will find information, wherever they are. I cried from the beginning to the end of the weekend, and at times I just wanted to leave, because it was very painful for me, but I am so gald I stayed and went through it. The way in which all of the issues regarding post-abortion syndrome are dealt is very gentle, very spiritual, and I felt very glad that I had honoured my baby by going, by making that physical and mental effort. I cannot speak highly enough of it.

One small word of warning though: I was told I would feel much better after I went, and to be honest, I was just so exhausted and drained from all the crying and the emotions that I did not. So please don't expect an immediate 'cure' (at times, the testimonials on the websites suggest that - and for some people, they get that, but not me). It took at least a week afterwards for it to sink in , and now I feel so glad I went - more in the sense that I honoured my baby, I went through that weekend for her, and the memorial service on the last day was an extremely beautiful and moving experience. Things have been getting gradually calmer for me - I don't cry as much as I used to ( it was pretty constant for many months) and I am praying and turning to God for strength throughout the day, which is helping me so much. I can't believe I am about to write this, after all I have been through, and the intense sadness and pain I have been going through, but....there IS hope. I never thought there was, and I thought I was 'different', that I was doomed forever because of my abortion - but no. There is hope, and there is healing, and I am so grateful to this site and the kind women on it who have messaged me. It is a wonderful comfort to know that I am not alone, especially on those dark, dark nights which we all know so well. Reaching out, and prayer, are really what has worked for me - and while I know I will never, ever forget my baby, I will carry her within my heart and soul forever, I  now know that I do not have to spend each day in that terrible dark misery. THere will always be those days, but God is there, and He does not want us to suffer so terribly. Just talking to Him helps, He knows our hearts and our terrible regret. He knows if we could have done it differently, we would have. We are all on this site because we regret our abortions. We all love and want our babies with us, but we must let God mind them until we can be them again in heaven. God, and our babies, do not want us to waste the rest of our lives in pain over our mistakes. That would be fruitless. We can honour Him, and our little babies, by reaching out to others, and by helping those in pain.

God Bless all the women out there who are suffering because of past abortions. I am praying for every single one of you.
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